tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post903280734456491619..comments2023-08-08T11:51:41.540+02:00Comments on Cornelius' Blog: Creating a KDE SDKCornelius Schumacherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07307631039358655025noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-75195266340598214562009-07-21T18:14:48.700+02:002009-07-21T18:14:48.700+02:00After seeing this:
http://liveblue.wordpress.com/...After seeing this:<br /><br />http://liveblue.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/3-visualize-your-code-in-kdevelop/<br /><br />I have to say KDESDK should have KDevelop. It just has better features to get into KDE development and it showcases the power of KDE much better. Very sad Qtcreator was picked.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10566325100945295105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-15651037411140212822009-07-21T16:59:52.941+02:002009-07-21T16:59:52.941+02:00Is Qt Creator ready for such usage? It doesn't...Is Qt Creator ready for such usage? It doesn't have even directories hierarchy support yet.Kostiantynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01576927857799473335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-15216067085966067862009-07-21T16:45:39.842+02:002009-07-21T16:45:39.842+02:00its a good idea..and i hope finally it will break ...its a good idea..and i hope finally it will break the entry barrier for people like me..sathishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05259800352768087767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-37608752909686288842009-07-20T22:38:08.320+02:002009-07-20T22:38:08.320+02:00@HPC: Thanks. I missed the point that the image ob...@HPC: Thanks. I missed the point that the image obviously wouldn't be read-only. Sorry...thuswahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13925355672240365778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-22311561326449565192009-07-20T22:14:48.148+02:002009-07-20T22:14:48.148+02:00thuswa: Just installed those packages in the VM. I...thuswa: Just installed those packages in the VM. It's easier to set up one editor than setting up the whole KDE development environment. I think the idea is great.<br /><br />Cornelius: Will it include SVN snapshots of all parts of KDE, so you can just SVN up and develop against head of e.g. kdegames?scroogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04742347403285005875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-58028611854733071542009-07-20T20:17:42.484+02:002009-07-20T20:17:42.484+02:002. I want to use my specially configured editor/de...2. I want to use my specially configured editor/dev tools tha I normally use?thuswahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13925355672240365778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-23941845886132591272009-07-20T20:15:07.850+02:002009-07-20T20:15:07.850+02:00I'm not so sure if creating a SDK as a Live-CD...I'm not so sure if creating a SDK as a Live-CD or VMware image is such a good idea.Sure it probably will suite some use cases but I think it is not flexible enough, at least not from my point of view. Maybe I missed something/Don't follow your lead.. But what if:<br /><br />1. I want to create a app based on kdelibs where I also want to include some other lib not included on the cd/image?thuswahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13925355672240365778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-46522973458409593502009-07-20T19:38:08.218+02:002009-07-20T19:38:08.218+02:00Hi,
Why only to focus on application developers a...Hi,<br /><br />Why only to focus on application developers alone? Why not some new guy who want to contribute small bug fixes? Actually new development is easy as there are no dependency. To make bugfixes, the user has to check-out source code, compile, resolve dependency etc. This is where a pre-build SDK would come handy.Karthikeyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17069652930051098797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-33411332003487892502009-07-20T19:24:45.439+02:002009-07-20T19:24:45.439+02:00@Snirp: Python certainly is a good option for appl...@Snirp: Python certainly is a good option for application development. To keep things simple I had to make a choice, though, and C++ just is the most mainstream solution in Qt and KDE land. But as I said I'm willing to revisit this question later.<br /><br />@Christoph_Bartoschek: Qt Creator is simpler than KDevelop, that fits my goal to keep things simple very well. It also seems to be more stable than KDevelop 4. Part of this project will be to make Qt Creator more KDEish, so that it shouldn't make a big difference.<br /><br />@maninalift: Windows support would be great, but is currently out of my scope.<br /><br />@annma: I'm a regular user of kapptemplate, so I certainly will consider it for creating application templates. cmake support in Qt Creator exists. Still have to see how good it is.<br /><br />@Ian_Monroe: Good question. I think one of my unconscious design decisions is to target free software development. Shouldn't be difficult to adapt it to proprietary development.Cornelius Schumacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07307631039358655025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-59961585742708228562009-07-20T18:32:48.288+02:002009-07-20T18:32:48.288+02:00Great idea!Great idea!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10195307706670763764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-34710462916012848112009-07-20T16:41:26.986+02:002009-07-20T16:41:26.986+02:00@annma: using kapptemplate (or its templates at le...@annma: using kapptemplate (or its templates at least) for Qt Creator is something I was planning to look into.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-5763023330107269572009-07-20T16:13:54.325+02:002009-07-20T16:13:54.325+02:00@Ian: Remember that Qt Software also started out u...@Ian: Remember that Qt Software also started out using Gitorious internally. Gitorious != Gitorious.org.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-28037871639478345252009-07-20T16:02:32.200+02:002009-07-20T16:02:32.200+02:00You talk about using gitorious... so is the target...You talk about using gitorious... so is the target audience writing an open source app?Ian Monroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16953610792430204523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-82672860470795020202009-07-20T13:54:58.440+02:002009-07-20T13:54:58.440+02:00This is a great idea! Looking forward to the resul...This is a great idea! Looking forward to the results!scroogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04742347403285005875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-9271074955523139522009-07-20T13:43:48.287+02:002009-07-20T13:43:48.287+02:00Please considere including KAppTemplate frol kdesd...Please considere including KAppTemplate frol kdesdk which provides a GUI wizard to generate templates to start programming easily. This is a light application but very useful! The templates can also be used in KDevelop by the way.<br />Not sure abuot QtCreator and cmake: is cmake well integrated in QtCreator?annmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09506477974789559455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-29137258328561882092009-07-20T13:08:12.666+02:002009-07-20T13:08:12.666+02:00Do you intend to include building for windows supp...Do you intend to include building for windows support?maninalifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08040522135159233946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-57858565215628924502009-07-20T13:07:48.291+02:002009-07-20T13:07:48.291+02:00Great! It's a pity that you can't install ...Great! It's a pity that you can't install it to /opt/kde-sdk-1.0, but it's a nice project indeed that will solidify the offer.<br /><br />I think at a KDE-SDK made up of "kdelibs" (splitted in sub-libs) + other High Quality libs + KDE Creator (customized version of QtCreator).<br /><br />Release 1.0 should be stable, not necessarily complete ;-) [the less features, the less crashes!]<br /><br />See this mockups for the KDE Creator side of the equation (if any):<br /><br />http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2717/kdecreatormain.png<br /><br />http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6486/kdecreatornew.pngEnrico Roshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10474324679416549831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-39851459087787064182009-07-20T13:00:05.334+02:002009-07-20T13:00:05.334+02:00I wonder why you are not suggesting to use KDevelo...I wonder why you are not suggesting to use KDevelop as the main UI. As this is a KDE SDK and not a Qt SDK I would expect that the project specific tool is choosen.<br /><br />I use the new version in for my daily work and my opinion is that this is the best C++-IDE available for Linux.Christophhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08068104059979572841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-21257147427314731272009-07-20T12:56:52.343+02:002009-07-20T12:56:52.343+02:00@Tom
As I see it, Qt is currently not interested i...@Tom<br />As I see it, Qt is currently not interested in adding python themselves. There may be some 3rd-party efforts underway to develop a python plugin (http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt-creator/2009-March/002225.html).<br />It is inevitable to arrive at some stage, but not worthwile to hold up development of the "KDE SDK". Guess we will have to make do with C++ for now.Snirphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03522173226688201303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-18305372877070777582009-07-20T12:19:05.816+02:002009-07-20T12:19:05.816+02:00Well, first make the Python case with the QtCreato...Well, first make the Python case with the QtCreator guys. Then it shouldn't be a problem including Python.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10566325100945295105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-8935447604031330642009-07-20T11:59:11.017+02:002009-07-20T11:59:11.017+02:00As Snirp said, please please please don't lock...As Snirp said, please please please don't lock us Python people out - I've learned Py just to code apps in Qt (well PyGame too) and would hate to be left out. I'd also like to lend any help I can if you include PyQt.TGMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06100386595859765185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-74654678742171509772009-07-20T11:45:27.436+02:002009-07-20T11:45:27.436+02:00Great intiative, but I would urge you to consider ...Great intiative, but I would urge you to consider including the PyQt alternative. The main reason is mentioned by you and besides there are quite a few non-beginner python hackers out there.<br />I think there are quite a few tutorials out there and they may just need some restructuring and updating. I am quite new to python and KDE myself, but would be happy to lend a hand if you decide to include the possibility.Snirphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03522173226688201303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5317236015572973172.post-50548390689889024022009-07-20T11:42:20.846+02:002009-07-20T11:42:20.846+02:00Brillant idea! Kudos!Brillant idea! Kudos!Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10566325100945295105noreply@blogger.com